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    james busse
    I purchased a 455 Ranger [model #966 04 85 94]and have been...escalated
    Warranty Question posted January 8, 2014 by james busse 
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    I purchased a 455 Ranger [model #966 04 85 94]and have been troubled with bar oil leaks since the first running. I took it to a local Husqvanara dealer who advised that nothing is wrong and he adjusted the oil flow screw to the lowest setting[contrary to the manual that advises the higest flow position for a 20" bar]. This saw leaks bar oil while setting on my worhbench in very noticable amounts and certainly is not oiling the chain excessively when cutting 10" oak.I have lots of experience with chain saws and know that this oil leaking when in storage is not "normal" and their "fix" is rediculous.I believe the oil pump or tubing components are at fault.aNY SUGGESTIONS ON WHAT TO DO ABOUT THIS ?
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    • Karla

      James,

      First the oil adjustment screw should stay at max oil for a 20" bar as you indicated, and adjusting the quantity of oil is not the fix.

      Second, there are about 5, maybe 6 ways that the oil system will leak, and some are normal. let me explain:

      1. During the summer time, when the chainsaw is stored in a very warm environment like a tool shed, the oil will leak out because of expansion, and this is also true with gasoline cans so be careful of very warm environments, especially gas cans. (lNormal problem)

      2. During use of the chainsaw, oil is pumping into the bar groove, and everything is warm after a few minutes of use including the bar. So when the saw is shut down, and then immediately put into its storage case, the oil drains back from the chain and bar and usually drips out some where around the clutch, and creates a  small puddle maybe a tablespoon or two. (Normal problem). But sometimes that tablespoon of oil in a chainsaw case spreads out and looks like alot of oil.

      3. The chainsaw oil exits the bottom of the tank, (Note: on older chainsaws they pumped oil out of the top of the tanks), there is an oil line with a fixed grommet which is part of the hose, this is a likely place for a constant leak, and if the line or grommet is damaged the entire tank of oil will drain out even If the saw is not being used. (Not Normal problem - definitely a leak, and needs a new suction line hose).

      4. The chainsaw oil hoses connect to the pump with no fittings, they are concave rubber fittings on the end of the hoses that compress against the cylinder of the oil pump, and with insufficient  compression or excess pressure, they will leak. The only thing that keeps the right amount of compression on the fittings is the cover plate that covers the oil pump. (Not a Normal problem - definitely a leak, and may need new suction and discharge hoses or the cover plate tightened, This leak however will most likely occur when the pump is pumping, and also will not drain the entire oil tank, but could make a mess).

      5. Obviously, anything that is damaged in the oil system will also cause a leak, like a split or cracked oil tank, split oil lines, etc. ( Not Normal - Needs repair or replacement)

      6. When mounting the bar to the saw, its real important that the bar oil hole stays clear, that the oil delivery slot at end of discharge hose is kept clean, and that the bar is held flush and tight against the oil delivery fitting at end of discharge hose.( Normal problem - but since the pump is trying to push oil out the end of the discharge hose, and it can't get there the pump will build up pressure, and possibly push oil out a hose somewhere.

      So, I think that about covers all the possible leaks, and here is why I stated them all. You can evaluate and eliminate the obvious ones like, #1, #2, and #6. If you brought it in to a Husqvarna repair center and had them look at it, and he said " that nothing is wrong", then I suspect he checked item #5 for no damage. That leaves items 3 &  4, if its draining all the oil out of the tank, I would suspect the grommet and part of the suction hose needs replacement, but if its just some oil then I would suspect the compression oil fittings at the pump.

      So here is the fix, remove the clutch and drive sprocket, and oil pump pinion, remove the oil pump cover plate, I think its only one screw, and you will then see the oil pump, clean all the parts and the pump area as you do this, and you should also remove the pump, you should be able to see the compression fittings, clean them up real good too, get  a very small tube of  "ultra black" silicone gasket and oil sealant (Most auto stores have this or equivalent) just make sure the silicone sealant is  for oil and gas applications. Smear a small finger tip of sealant onto the cylinder pump where the compression fittings of the oil hoses fit, Do not get any of the sealant in the tiny cyclinder holes, and again just a very tiny smear spread thinly. Then put it all back together, and follow the directions on the tube of sealant for use and curing. If you know how to remove the clutch, this will only take you 5-10 minutes to accomplish this so its really easy. This is also a good time to lubricate and check your sprocket bearing, which should be done periodically, also during re-assembly make sure the oil pinion gear is properly engaged with the drum sprocket.

      Note: This is "Not" a Husqvarna Warranty repair, they will not do this fix, there only fix will be to replace the hoses if they are defective or damaged, and your Husqvarna repair center has already inspected them for damage, I assume.

      Note: I am also Not a Husqvarna Representative or Repair Center, this Info is just from experience.

      Sorry, about the long explaination, and hopefully this makes sense.

       

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      • james busse

        Thanks Karla for the lowdown on the oil system. The saw leaked about 2 Oz. of oil {just sitting} in 24 hours after I got it back from my local dealer,since then I have run it about three hours and now seems to leak much less when setting on the shelf {MAYBE 2 OR 3 TABLESPOONS} . I think I will just run it until it needs a sprocket and investigate the oil pump at that time,as I do not have a clutch removal tool for this saw yet.Thanks again for your help...always good to hear from someone who has "been there and done  that " CHEERS ,james

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    • Karla

      James,

       

      Thanks for the update and reply.

      Here is just one more piece of Info that may be helpful for you, and I ran across it today on one of the "U-tube" links. Its a Model 346 chainsaw oil system but very similar to your Model 455.

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nnMriFIwGyw

      I hope it helps, when you get ready to do yours!

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    • JOHN BARRY

      your saw is leaking from the oil supply tube. the formed rubber grommet allows oil to leak by. I HAVE FIXED ALOT OF THESE. you take the handle away from the crankcase. remove the clutch and bar plate. remove the oiler thhen remove the oil supply tube. clean both tube and crankcase where the hose seals to the case, brake cleaner works well. use utv sealent on tube and press into case and allow to dry. reassemble and your leak will be fixed.

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    • Karla

      James,

      Thanks for the update, Please  let me Know when you try this if it helped.

      Also, If you need any dissassembly or assembly help, just give me a shout !

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    • james busse

      I believe that you and Karla have nailed the problem,though I have not yet had a look for myself.The reason that I posted my issue under warranty as opposed to maintainance is that my saw was brand new and leaked from the start, right out of the box.It looks like this is a common problem and I would think that the Husquarna engineers might think about better materials,fit,or at the very least adding the sealant you all refer to at the factory. cheers jb

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    • Grant Collins

      I too have one of these 966-04-85-94/455 Ranchers. I could not be more frustrated with this saw. Since I purchased the saw new in the fall of 2013, it's been nothing but a leaky mess. I have had the saw to the shop twice, I know the problem, but they can't get the thing to stop leaking bar oil. It SHOULD NOT be the owner's responsibility to repair the saw, as it is a FACTORY DESIGN problem. I was replacing a saw that is over 40 years old...runs better, has more power, and DOES NOT LEAK. 

      I will take the saw back one more time...and ask to trade it for another saw. Good luck to Husky on selling any more of these. I live in farm and ranch country and there is no way I can recommend one of these. 

      Stihl is looking REALLY good right now...

       

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