General Product Question
I have a Rancher 450 chainsaw. It is my second one since...escalated
General Product Question posted May 11, 2014 by Jarrod Menta, last edited May 11, 2014
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Question:
I have a Rancher 450 chainsaw. It is my second one since November. The problem is the same.
I got the first one, and used it once for a few hours. When I went to use it a second time (weeks later), it would not start. Based on the starting instructions, the red choke lever gets put in the "up" position. Problem is, when I do that and squeez the trigger, it immediately pops down into the "normal" position. It will not stay up, nor will it fire. I put in fresh gas and bar/chain oil.
With the first chainsaw, instead of having it serviced (BRAND NEW!!) I exchanged for a new one.
Fast forwar to a few weeks ago, I used it successfully the first time. Went to use a second time today, and same issue. Will not start...what gives????
I got the first one, and used it once for a few hours. When I went to use it a second time (weeks later), it would not start. Based on the starting instructions, the red choke lever gets put in the "up" position. Problem is, when I do that and squeez the trigger, it immediately pops down into the "normal" position. It will not stay up, nor will it fire. I put in fresh gas and bar/chain oil.
With the first chainsaw, instead of having it serviced (BRAND NEW!!) I exchanged for a new one.
Fast forwar to a few weeks ago, I used it successfully the first time. Went to use a second time today, and same issue. Will not start...what gives????
Answer
Jarrod,
Here is what I would try, remove the top cover and look at the inside of the red stop switch, where the blue wire is connected.
Push down on the red stop switch, you should see the metal contact touch the blue connector, now pull up on the stop switch and you should see the metal contact move away from the blue wire connector, and give you an open switch, this is the normal "on" position. Now push the red stop switch back down to the stop or off position, Does the contact close ?
Next, Don't touch the red start/ stop switch, but pull out on the blue choke lever, Did the red start switch pop up ? This is normal, and should work that way for starting.
Now, Push the choke switch back in, again Do not touch the red stop switch, the red stop switch should still be in the on position or Up, from when you pulled out on the choke lever, The reason for pulling out on the choke and then pushing it back in, Is besides automatically moving the red stop switch to the on position (UP), the choke lever has also automatically pre-set the throttle controls a little bit open. To prove this, now squeeze the throttle lever and you should hear a little snap or spring release sound when the trigger is pulled, also the red stop switch should still be in the Up or on postion.
This is a good way to test that your controls are working the way they are suppose too!
Please let me know if you got different results, and I will try to help you figure out what could be wrong with your saw controls.
For a Normal cold start - just pull out the blue choke lever, give the the starter cord a pull or two until you her it try to start or a slight pop, then push the blue lever back in and give it one more good pull and the saw should be running.
For a Warm saw or Hot start - just pull the blue lever out, and then push it right back in, and give it one good pull and the saw should be running, obviously to stop the saw in either case just push the red stop switch down or "Off".
I hope this helps, Please let me know if your chainsaw does something differently and I will be glad to try and help.
PS. I am Not a Husqvarna Representative or an Authorized Repair, just an experimental chainsaw person.
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Karla,
Thank you! I will try tonight after work and let you know what I find.
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So, I took the cover off tonight. He is what I see.
the blue wire is attached to the red switch. The black wire, which feed to the underside of the red switch, is the wire that engages/disengages to the red switch is up, down or neutral.
I just don't understand why this happens...perhaps I am missing something?
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Ok, ignore everything...I am an idiot!! I re read the instructions, and squeezing the trigger isn't necessary. Everything is all good.
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Jarrod,
Thanks for the picture, and your description definitely sounds like the way it should be wired. The black wire is the ground wire, and when the blue and black wire touch, that grounds the ignition coil and the engine should not start, or if the engine is running then when contact is made it shuts the engine off by grounding the coil.
Sorry, about the confusion, that was my fault. When I first looked at your control switch I thought it was the same as a model 455, but I am totally wrong. I just read the starting instructions for your model 450, and the switch is totally different, from the directions it sounds like the red handle switch pulls out, and then pulls up. Unfortunately I do Not have that type of control, and from the drawings and pictures I can't seem to figure out exactly how it works.
It Looks like they have combined the choke lever, and the on/off control into one switch. So I'm guessing that when the switch is pulled out and then up, its in the choke position or cold start position, then for the warm or hot start position, you simply put the switch up, and obviously in either case to shut it off the switch goes down. So I think, and without a switch or control in hand this may be difficult but I would try the following:
Pull the switch out, and then up and give it one or two pulls till you hear the engine fire or pop. Next put the control switch in but it has to be in the up position or as you stated in your description to the idle or mid position is probably OK,( as long as the switch doesn't return all the way to the down position, which would be off.) And then give it another pull or two and the engine should start.
I don't know if this will be of any help, and it also sounds like you may need to find a service shop that can help show you exactly how this control works.
Sorry, I got confused and that I really couldn't help, but I wish I had a model 450 to look at that switch definitely has my curiosity.
PS. I am not a Husqvarna Representative or an Authorized Repair, just an experimental chainsaw person.
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Jarrod,
I'm glad you solved the problem, I was just watching a couple of U-tube Video's on the Model 450 to see If I could help solve the problem.
It looks like a really nice chainsaw, so I wish you good luck with it, and it has received lots of good reviews,
Again, glad you got it solved!
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